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Nov 25, 2018 10:19:33 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 25, 2018 7:24:00 GMT -6 khalilsackdaddy said:

qb pressures is a laughably terrible made up pff stat. Shea McClellin was great at it, had more then any other Bears defender while he was there...but had next to no actual sacks. Don't be to impressed w/ the "pressure" stat it means next to nothing.

QB sacks #1, qb hits #2, tfl, pd, ff, ints, tackles, solo tackles, % of snaps on the field, penalties received are all more important and indicitive of a player then "qb pressure".

I don't think it's a great stat by any means, but I think it can help give credit to pass rushers who don't get to the QB but force throwaways/bad/inaccurate passes. It is very important to have a supplement to this stat, for example, pressures to sacks. So McClellin would have a high pressure to sack ratio, and you'd know that he isn't very good despite the high pressure number.

it could be useful if PFF knew what the hell they were talking about. but the fact that they don't take into account scheme makes it useless.
They count a pressue as anytime a qb has to move from where he is in the pocket b/c of pressure. But that means(example NO's OL scheme) if the OL's job is to move the DE/OLB behind the QB and have him step into the pocket, that is a "pressure". It's why they had Jerom Bushrod ranked as a terrible LT and J'Marcus Webb as clearly better(which he wasn't). It's also why Shea Mc for the Bears had so many pressures, but really he was next to worthless as a passrusher.

So ya it could be a useful stat, if PFF used it correctly or actually tried to be good at what they did.

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Nov 25, 2018 16:07:35 GMT -6 khalilsackdaddy said:

Nov 25, 2018 10:19:33 GMT -6 Danchat said:

I don't think it's a great stat by any means, but I think it can help give credit to pass rushers who don't get to the QB but force throwaways/bad/inaccurate passes. It is very important to have a supplement to this stat, for example, pressures to sacks. So McClellin would have a high pressure to sack ratio, and you'd know that he isn't very good despite the high pressure number.

it could be useful if PFF knew what the hell they were talking about. but the fact that they don't take into account scheme makes it useless.
They count a pressue as anytime a qb has to move from where he is in the pocket b/c of pressure. But that means(example NO's OL scheme) if the OL's job is to move the DE/OLB behind the QB and have him step into the pocket, that is a "pressure". It's why they had Jerom Bushrod ranked as a terrible LT and J'Marcus Webb as clearly better(which he wasn't). It's also why Shea Mc for the Bears had so many pressures, but really he was next to worthless as a passrusher.

So ya it could be a useful stat, if PFF used it correctly or actually tried to be good at what they did.

Yeah the pressure stat is way too subjective to have any meaning IMO. And as far as I know, it also counts as a pressure if the QB holds the ball too long. I mean if you hold the ball forever like Stafford and Newton, you're eventually going to get "pressured". I think if the defense doesn't force the QB to throw within 2.5 seconds, it shouldn't count as a pressure. 2.5 seconds is about the league average from snap to throw. Any longer than 2.5 seconds then the QB is holding the ball too long.

Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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Nov 25, 2018 16:56:05 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Nov 25, 2018 16:07:35 GMT -6 khalilsackdaddy said:

it could be useful if PFF knew what the hell they were talking about. but the fact that they don't take into account scheme makes it useless.
They count a pressue as anytime a qb has to move from where he is in the pocket b/c of pressure. But that means(example NO's OL scheme) if the OL's job is to move the DE/OLB behind the QB and have him step into the pocket, that is a "pressure". It's why they had Jerom Bushrod ranked as a terrible LT and J'Marcus Webb as clearly better(which he wasn't). It's also why Shea Mc for the Bears had so many pressures, but really he was next to worthless as a passrusher.

So ya it could be a useful stat, if PFF used it correctly or actually tried to be good at what they did.

Yeah the pressure stat is way too subjective to have any meaning IMO. And as far as I know, it also counts as a pressure if the QB holds the ball too long. I mean if you hold the ball forever like Stafford and Newton, you're eventually going to get "pressured". I think if the defense doesn't force the QB to throw within 2.5 seconds, it shouldn't count as a pressure. 2.5 seconds is about the league average from snap to throw. Any longer than 2.5 seconds then the QB is holding the ball too long.

If not 2.5, then at least the standard 3 sec. It should also matter on the drop back. 3 step drop back should be shorter then a 5 step and that should be shorter then a 7 step. But that's all to complicated for those boys at PFF. need to make it standard to the bean counters don't have to actually think about what it is they are seeing.

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	Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said: if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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Nov 26, 2018 19:48:24 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

They ended the streak at 5 games by picking off Mariota the following week. Oh and I counted 8 other teams, and went back to 1950, but the other team, Detroit, their 5th game was a wildcard game.

2006 Washington Redskins
2011 Indianapolis Colts
2012 St. Louis Rams
2012 Philadelphia Eagles
2015 Baltimore Ravens
2016 Jacksonville Jaguars
2016 Detroit Lions
2017 Cleveland Browns
2018 New York Jets

But yeah, there's a reason all of them have occurred in the past decade and it's because teams don't turn the ball over very much anymore. 18 teams had streaks of 4 games, 15 of which occurred after 2002. 102 teams had streaks of 3 games and 70 occured after 2002. Only 1 team pre 1970 had a streak of 3 and that was the 1963 Baltimore Colts. Only 6 teams in the 70's, 4 in the 80's, and 18 in the 90's, so you can begin to see when teams started taking better care of the ball. The NFL actually sounds like it was a lot more enjoyable to watch back then lol.

The Vikings longest streak was 3 games, which they've pulled off several times.

2007/2008 Childress
2013 Frazier
2015 Zimmer
2016 Zimmer
2018 Zimmer (weeks 2-4) forced 6 fumbles, recovered 0

4 of those streaks included games at Lambeau ofc.

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Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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khalilsackdaddy Rookie Posts: 231 Likes: 197	NFL Tidbits Dec 14, 2018 13:05:22 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by khalilsackdaddy on Dec 14, 2018 13:05:22 GMT -6 When Mahommes is on there as often as some of those other guys, I'll call him elite. Until then he could be elite, or Matthew Stafford. We need to wait and see.

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