Vikings Tidbits

Nov 28, 2017 22:39:01 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

Nov 28, 2017 20:57:07 GMT -6 beckmt said:

picky, picky.  I think the quote is at this time.  And teams the Vikings have beaten the are over .500 are good.  And using other math, were not the Packers 4 - 1 when we beat them

I would include the Packers and not the Saints in our list, and the Packers with an asterisk. The Saints started 0-2, that's not a good team. It took them 5 games to cross .500
The fact they have won 8 or 9 straight is irrelevant to when we played them. We didn't play the 9-2 Saints, or the 3-2 Saints.

Likewise, the Packers lost their starting star QB, and the team we beat was 4-1 but was without him most of the game so that win is a special case that carries an asterisk. But whoever beat them the next week played a garbage, Rodgers-less team not a pretty decent 4-2 team. But I'm sure their fans are chirping about how they beat the 4-2 Pukers.

The only way you can measure the strength of the teams you play is by their record when you beat them. Its an imperfect method because early in the year you don't really know how good teams are, but the imperfection of saying we beat a good team in the Saints should also be evident. They weren't good then. Using the record when you played them is the least imperfect method, IMNSHO.

I don't completely agree with this. Yes, context always matters, but it's not like the Saints were awful when we beat them in week 1. Could they have been better? Sure... but there's still a lot of talent there.

I think what you are suggesting does a good job of capturing momentum. That isn't the be-all/end-all stat though. The Rams were pretty hot too until we dismantled them.

                             OFFENSE               DEFENSE
WK OPPONENT              PTS OFF PAS RUN       PTS DEF PAS RUN
 1 Washington Redskins     8   3   2  16        32  25  21  29
 2 Kansas City Chiefs      8  10  13  15        14  26  27  28
 3 New York Giants        31  28  24  26        22  31  29  31
 4 Los Angeles Chargers   15  12   5  25         6  17   7  32
 5 Arizona Cardinals      24  18   9  32        24  14  18  10
 6 Carolina Panthers      16  17  25   5         8   2   6   3
 7 Washington Redskins     8   3   2  16        32  25  21  29
 8 San Francisco 49ers    28  21  17  23        26  28  25  30
 9 Denver Broncos         26  22  19  17        25   3   4   4
11 Dallas Cowboys          6  11  22   2        26  27  28  23
12 Chicago Bears          29  29  31   8        15  12  12  15
13 Seattle Seahawks       12   9   8  20         9   8  10   9

 1 New Orleans Saints      4   2   3   4        12  15  14  16
 2 Pittsburgh Steelers    14   8   6  19         4   4   3   6
 3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers   23  15   4  28        20  32  32  14
 4 Detroit Lions           5  16  11  30        21  24  22  22
 5 Chicago Bears          29  29  31   8        15  12  12  15
 6 Green Bay Packers      19  25  20  22        18  21  24  11
 7 Baltimore Ravens       18  31  32  10         2   7   2  21
 8 Cleveland Browns       32  24  26  18        29   9  13   8
10 Washington Redskins     8   3   2  16        32  25  21  29
11 Los Angeles Rams        2   5   7   9         7  16   9  26
12 Detroit Lions           5  16  11  30        21  24  22  22
13 Atlanta Falcons        13   7  10  10        13  10   8  18

                   OFFENSE                       DEFENSE
          PTS    OFF    PASS   RUSH     PTS    DEF    PASS   RUSH
Eagles   17.58  15.25  14.75  17.08    19.92  18.17  17.33  20.25
Vikings  14.33  15.08  13.58  17.00    16.17  16.58  15.17  17.33