Vikings Sign DT Michael Pierce

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Vikings Sign DT Michael Pierce Mar 19, 2020 12:53:07 GMT -6

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Mar 19, 2020 12:08:46 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Mar 19, 2020 9:00:33 GMT -6 yessir said:

lol with your next sentence saying...…" I like the signing (I think), but if we stay in a 4-3 and have him along side of Shamar, I won't be happy."

so all things pointed to you wanting to switch to a 3-4....

its all good....but if you were only asking a questions.....the answer would be IMO switching to a 3-4 would be a train wreck and a total miscast of other players already on the team.

*uvikethat*

We aren't the only ones asking questions:

www.dailynorseman.com/2020/3/19/21184211/whats-next-for-the-vikings-defense

yup....but there still is no substance to this...just an article to get clicks right now....I mean its from a Vikings site and they don't list 1 bad thing about this idea of switching....it cant be that easy can it?
its at least something to talk about in the middle of March when your team doesnt have any cap space to be in suspesnce of what big time Free agent we may or may not be signing.

you can still put me on the side that thinks we would regress further as a defense if the switch is made.

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Mar 19, 2020 10:01:39 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Mar 19, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

The role a MLB plays in those schemes is very different. Kendricks would have to take on a lot more blockers and that is not his strength. You are quite off base with this thought.

well first off there are two ilbs in that scheme with a 340 lb nt in front of him to eat up blockers as well. It's not like he's taking on two guys at once

I love how you correct me for saying MLB and remind me there are two and then say "him" rather than "them"....kinda petty if I'd make a big deal out of that right?

The nature of the 3-4 alignment means that your middle linebackers will have to eat up blocks and fill gaps more than in a 4-3. Kendricks is best when he can roam, unblocked and knife through traffic to make plays. 3-4 middle linebackers do not have nearly as many opportunities to do that by the nature of the scheme.

Barr would almost certainly benefit from the switch, but Kendricks would almost certainly suffer.

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Vikings Sign DT Michael Pierce Mar 19, 2020 16:21:03 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 19, 2020 13:05:11 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Contract details are in. $5.1M cap hit for 2020. $9M fully guaranteed.

overthecap.com/player/michael-pierce/5249/

www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/michael-pierce-19379/

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Mar 19, 2020 13:05:11 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Contract details are in. $5.1M cap hit for 2020. $9M fully guaranteed.

overthecap.com/player/michael-pierce/5249/

Can't complain about that contract...good signing

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Vikings Sign DT Michael Pierce Mar 19, 2020 16:49:21 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 19, 2020 13:37:19 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Mar 19, 2020 10:01:39 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

well first off there are two ilbs in that scheme with a 340 lb nt in front of him to eat up blockers as well. It's not like he's taking on two guys at once

I love how you correct me for saying MLB and remind me there are two and then say "him" rather than "them"....kinda petty if I'd make a big deal out of that right?

The nature of the 3-4 alignment means that your middle linebackers will have to eat up blocks and fill gaps more than in a 4-3. Kendricks is best when he can roam, unblocked and knife through traffic to make plays. 3-4 middle linebackers do not have nearly as many opportunities to do that by the nature of the scheme.

Barr would almost certainly benefit from the switch, but Kendricks would almost certainly suffer.

We would be fools to switch to a 3-4. Our core defensive guy fit better in the 4-3. The only one who might benefit to a 3-4 is barr.

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Overall, I agree a full-on switch to a 3-4 wouldn't with the Vikings personnel, but that isn't what I think Zimmer and Capers have planned.
Maybe a 4-2-5 Nickel set with Watts and Hunter lined up next to each other, with Barr and Odenigbo on the edge. Or, occasionally going 3-4 with Barr and Hunter on the edges. Hunter ate the interior of the Saints line alive, he can definitely rush standing a tackle standing up.
It's not about just benefiting Barr, though using him in more of a pass rushing role is the only way to get a proper return on the investment they made in him. But, about being just generally more unpredictable...Zimmer showed unpredictability in the Saints game and flustered a Top 10 All-time QB into a horrible game. Give him six months to plan with a defensive mind like Capers, and a guy like Patterson to implement it, and he should be able to field a respectable defense regardless of the turnover we see this offseason.

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Thoughts from Matthew Coller:

In signing Michael Pierce, Vikings filled their last need first

The Vikings needed a Joseph replacement but fundamentally speaking, the road to winning in the NFL is successfully passing and stopping the pass. Other positions of need have a much greater impact on the passing game or shutting down the opponent’s passing game, yet with a $5.1 million cap hit for Pierce and run-stopping DT Shamar Stephen under contract for just over $5 million on the cap next year, they will spend over $10 million in cap space on two players incapable of rushing the passer (Stephen had six pressures on 350 pass rush snaps last season).

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Mar 19, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

Overall, I agree a full-on switch to a 3-4 wouldn't with the Vikings personnel, but that isn't what I think Zimmer and Capers have planned.
Maybe a 4-2-5 Nickel set with Watts and Hunter lined up next to each other, with Barr and Odenigbo on the edge. Or, occasionally going 3-4 with Barr and Hunter on the edges. Hunter ate the interior of the Saints line alive, he can definitely rush standing a tackle standing up.
It's not about just benefiting Barr, though using him in more of a pass rushing role is the only way to get a proper return on the investment they made in him. But, about being just generally more unpredictable...Zimmer showed unpredictability in the Saints game and flustered a Top 10 All-time QB into a horrible game. Give him six months to plan with a defensive mind like Capers, and a guy like Patterson to implement it, and he should be able to field a respectable defense regardless of the turnover we see this offseason.

Yeah, I could see the hybrid working....but only if we find another DT that fits into multiple roles. Watts can, I think, but Stephen and Pierce are one trick ponies. Pierce is really good at his one trick, Stephen not so much.

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Mar 19, 2020 19:35:35 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Mar 19, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

Overall, I agree a full-on switch to a 3-4 wouldn't with the Vikings personnel, but that isn't what I think Zimmer and Capers have planned.
Maybe a 4-2-5 Nickel set with Watts and Hunter lined up next to each other, with Barr and Odenigbo on the edge. Or, occasionally going 3-4 with Barr and Hunter on the edges. Hunter ate the interior of the Saints line alive, he can definitely rush standing a tackle standing up.
It's not about just benefiting Barr, though using him in more of a pass rushing role is the only way to get a proper return on the investment they made in him. But, about being just generally more unpredictable...Zimmer showed unpredictability in the Saints game and flustered a Top 10 All-time QB into a horrible game. Give him six months to plan with a defensive mind like Capers, and a guy like Patterson to implement it, and he should be able to field a respectable defense regardless of the turnover we see this offseason.

Yeah, I could see the hybrid working....but only if we find another DT that fits into multiple roles. Watts can, I think, but Stephen and Pierce are one trick ponies. Pierce is really good at his one trick, Stephen not so much.

Think they will cut Stephen? I think it might be an option

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Mar 19, 2020 19:58:22 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Mar 19, 2020 19:35:35 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Yeah, I could see the hybrid working....but only if we find another DT that fits into multiple roles. Watts can, I think, but Stephen and Pierce are one trick ponies. Pierce is really good at his one trick, Stephen not so much.

Think they will cut Stephen? I think it might be an option

It would've made more sense than cutting Kline.

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Mar 19, 2020 19:32:43 GMT -6 OdinHammer said:

6 pressures on 350 pass rush snaps

YIKES. Armon Watts has to be ready to grab the starting 3-tech spot this year, right? He can provide more than 6 pressures in a season right?

Gotta think a 3 tech DT will be one of our first 4 picks for sure....hopefully 1 of our first 2 picks.

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Mar 19, 2020 20:05:09 GMT -6 yessir said:

Gotta think a 3 tech DT will be one of our first 4 picks for sure....hopefully 1 of our first 2 picks.

Makes sense. WR and CB are deep enough we should be ok drafting those positions in round 2-3. OL and DL aren't quite as deep this year and we happen to need a little help in the trenches. This could end up being an epic draft for us.

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Mar 19, 2020 19:58:22 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Mar 19, 2020 19:35:35 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Yeah, I could see the hybrid working....but only if we find another DT that fits into multiple roles. Watts can, I think, but Stephen and Pierce are one trick ponies. Pierce is really good at his one trick, Stephen not so much.

Think they will cut Stephen? I think it might be an option

He would have been cut by now. He has $1.1M of his salary that becomes fully guaranteed tomorrow if he is still on the roster.

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