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Apr 9, 2020 20:09:34 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

The future isnt bleak with a guy like Watson.

I'd trade every move Spielman ever made for Deshaun Watson.

Watson is the only reason why they have a future, and if he ever randomly tears an ACL in the middle of a practice again, they're absolutely screwed because their roster is among the league's worst without him.

Plus when Watson gets off his rookie deal and is given a $40M+ a year deal, the window will be closed. He'll already be on to his 5th year option in 2021, and a FA in 2022. They have cap room to spend now, and they're wasting a prime opportunity.

And that's not even to mention how O'Brien gets coached around in circles, like in the playoff game vs Chiefs, and regular season matchups against Denver and New Orleans.

I'm not satisfied with what Zimmer & Spielman have done, but O'Brien is currently at 'laughingstock of the NFL' level.

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Apr 9, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Apr 9, 2020 20:26:36 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Have fun watching your team of Deshaun Watson and no one else. I’ll take an actual team, thanks.

Want to make a bet who's next five seasons are more successful?

Um...yes.

That team has mostly limped it's way to a bunch of wins in the worst division in the NFL. Big tip of the cap for Watson...but everything else has been awful.

vikingpwr Living Legend Posts: 21,389 Likes: 4,605	The Texans Apr 9, 2020 21:10:54 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by vikingpwr on Apr 9, 2020 21:10:54 GMT -6 Apr 9, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -6 vikecycle said: Want to make a bet who's next five seasons are more successful? The Vikings. The Texans just traded for Brandon Cook. What's the bet?
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Apr 9, 2020 20:56:50 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Apr 9, 2020 20:09:34 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

The future isnt bleak with a guy like Watson.

I'd trade every move Spielman ever made for Deshaun Watson.

Watson is the only reason why they have a future, and if he ever randomly tears an ACL in the middle of a practice again, they're absolutely screwed because their roster is among the league's worst without him.

Plus when Watson gets off his rookie deal and is given a $40M+ a year deal, the window will be closed. He'll already be on to his 5th year option in 2021, and a FA in 2022. They have cap room to spend now, and they're wasting a prime opportunity.

And that's not even to mention how O'Brien gets coached around in circles, like in the playoff game vs Chiefs, and regular season matchups against Denver and New Orleans.

I'm not satisfied with what Zimmer & Spielman have done, but O'Brien is currently at 'laughingstock of the NFL' level.

A HOF QB is a recipe for long term success. That's been proven time and time again.

People here swear that our roster has been better then GB this past decade, and how has that worked out?

Zimmer gets 'coached around in circles' sometimes, what's your point?

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Apr 9, 2020 21:07:00 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Apr 9, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Want to make a bet who's next five seasons are more successful?

Um...yes.

That team has mostly limped it's way to a bunch of wins in the worst division in the NFL. Big tip of the cap for Watson...but everything else has been awful.

Okay, if you actually mean that I'm more then willing to make this bet official.

Deshaun Watson alone will prove a more valuable asset then anything Spielman has ever provided.

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Apr 9, 2020 21:10:54 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Apr 9, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Want to make a bet who's next five seasons are more successful?

The Vikings. The Texans just traded for Brandon Cook. What's the bet?

But they have a HOF QB. Multiple successful teams have traded for Cooks regardless.

The bet is who has a better next five years, the Vikings or the Texans. Smart money is on the HOF QB.

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Apr 9, 2020 21:25:25 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

A HOF QB is a recipe for long term success. That's been proven time and time again.

Yes, but mismanaging the roster around the HOF QB is a great way to waste that player's prime [on rookie contract].

Apr 9, 2020 21:28:28 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

But they have a HOF QB. Multiple successful teams have traded for Cooks regardless.

The bet is who has a better next five years, the Vikings or the Texans. Smart money is on the HOF QB.

The Patriots and Rams traded for Cooks when he was on his rookie deal and before he had a serious concussion mid-2019. For reference:

2016 last year with Saints: 78/1173/8 (catches/yards/TDs)
2017 only year with Patriots: 65/1082/7
2019 last year with Rams: 42/583/2 (started 14 games), was a non-factor once he returned from his concussion

I would expect Cooks to rebound, but in a WR-heavy draft he's not worth a 2nd round pick.

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Apr 9, 2020 21:37:54 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Apr 9, 2020 21:35:23 GMT -6 Danchat said:

I would expect Cooks to rebound, but in a WR-heavy draft he's not worth a 2nd round pick.

Was Diggs worth a 2020 1st,5th,6th and a 2021 4th?

Yeah, it's pretty fair deal. I would like a bit more on the Bills side, like a 2020 4th instead of 2021, but it's a good return for a player who was forcing his way out.

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Apr 9, 2020 21:44:33 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Apr 9, 2020 21:38:27 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Who the heck is this HOF QB that is being talked about?

Watson is easily on a HOF pace.

Three years in the league on a team that has gone 25 - 23, 1 - 2 in the playoffs without making it to even an AFCCG? Really? That's a HOF pace?? I guess Kirk will be there before he is! *loling*