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Honestly I think Tomlin should ha e been replaced a long time ago. I think he is the definition of an underachiever in the sense he has had a top 6-7 overall qb his whole time in Pittsburgh and they have won 1 sb. The gm there has put really good teams consistently around there for awhile and they have that 1 sb. Sometimes a persons time at their job is up and they have peaked and aren’t necessarily the right person for the job anymore. I think he falls in line with that. Same with Zimmer. Look I like Mike Zimmer as a person he seems hilarious in a non obvious way. I think he did pretty well for most of his time as the hc here, but I think he has some coaching issues that have been a long trend here that have never been corrected. I I think mike would be the perfect coach that had a franchise qb already there and a young defense that needed guidance to get achieve what they are capable of. I don’t think he is currently the right fit here anymore. And I definitely think Rick Spielman has run his course without a doubt.

Not saying it was a bad hire or i hated it but you remember MVN some on there were talking like we brought in the greatest offensive mind ever. Even his SB win was with a defensive team & dont remember his Texans teams lighting it up. Not saying it is a bad hire but think hiring a better OC then his son who's unproven should be priority #1 and if that means he leaves then oh well.

Honestly if say Josh McDaniels were available would you pass on him just to keep Gary Kubiak as the offensive advisor? Heck I'd look at some of these college OCs and see what they can do, at least interview some before just handing the job to Kubiak Jr

Unless you're the Titans...

Kubiak is a successful football guy and I liked some of the things we did on offense this past year under his guidance. As for Klint, who knows, but at least he'll know what is going on with the current offense. Zimmer has gone on record and said he want's continuity so I don't see going out and getting a college OC to run this offense in 2020. It will be very interesting to see how many new O-Linemen they add.  

Elflein is this years Remmers. IMO Elflein did not improve in his third year and was brutal at times. We replaced Remmers with Kline and Kline was clearly a good upgrade to our OL at RG. We need a good LG!

Reiff hopefully played his last game for us. I don't see $13 million for him or a restructure. We need a better LT than Reiff!  

I agree on Elfiein but think he stays the starter unless we bring in a swing gaurd type who takes over after a few games.

2020 wk1....

LT-Rookie/O'Neill

LG-Elf

C-Bradbury

RG-Kline

RT-O'Neill/Rookie

Speaking only for myself, "gut feeling" isn't the foundation for my position that it's time to move on from Spielman and Zimmer. History is.

Look back at the past 20 years of Super Bowls, the 40 teams that have played in them, and then the head coaches and GMs that have gotten them there. One inescapable fact jumps out: the overwhelming majority of them reached their first Super Bowl in the first five (HC's) or six (GM's) years of their tenure with that team.

Breaking it down further, GMs have needed more than 6 years to reach their first Super Bowl only 2 times in the 21st century: The Saints' Loomis (8), and the Falcons' Dimitroff (9). Spielman will begin his 15th year running the Vikings organization this spring.

An extension will likely put Rick Spielman in charge of the Vikings for roughly 18 years. My question to you is this: is it reasonable to believe that he should need at least two and for the most part THREE TIMES AS LONG to build a Super Bowl team as EVERY other SB GM of the past two decades?

Head coaches hired in the 21st century are subject to an even more demanding timetable. Not a single head coach hired in the past two decades who has reached the Super Bowl needed more than five seasons with their team to reach their first Super Bowl. Other than "gut feeling", what's telling you that a seventh year will allow Zimmer to accomplish something that EVERYONE else does in five years or less?



The notion that Zimmer pulled off some extraordinary feat by reaching the wild card round in his 2nd season is absurd when you consider that the last three NFC Super Bowl teams were all led by 2nd year head coaches. As for 2017, Zimmer did a great job to get the team into the playoffs. But based on his team's spectacular crash the following week, it would seem that they didn't expect to play for the NFCC either. As for that season being a repeatable result due to Zimmer's genius... well, Zimmer's own GM doubted it to the point of replacing said backup with a massive free agent signing.[/quote]




Again, speaking only for myself... that's abjectly false. In fact, there are two potential operative definitions of "expectations" in this case, and your assumption is equally false for either.

If you mean expectations as what I can reasonably expect that the Vikings SHOULD accomplish, Zimmer and Spielman don't enter into it at all. I expect the Vikings to return to the Super Bowl based purely on the fact that, given their 40+ year absence from it, they are underperforming as an organization until they do.

If you mean expectations in the sense of what I think the Vikings COULD accomplish, those expectations are informed by the X's and O's analyses I read and hear about the Vikings, and then LOWERED by the lingering tenures of Spielman and Zimmer past the point where they could've reasonably been expected to reach the Super Bowl based on recent history.






Unfortunately for Zimmer, he has no business being compared to coaches who've reached the Super Bowl. None. Not in the context of discussing who's going to reach it in the future, anyway. All those coaches have "been there, won that". For better or worse, they get more confidence and time from GM's/ownership than non-winners like Zim. So their ability to repeat as SB coaches has no bearing on the discussion about Zimmer and his odds of reaching a Super Bowl.


To summarize, not a single GM or head coach hired in the 21st century has set a precedent for anyone of Spielman's or Zimmer's tenure to reach
the Super Bowl. Doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means that, in the absence of historic mitigating factors (Spielman pulling off an impossible reverse Hershel Walker trade x2, Zimmer inventing a virtually score-proof defense), it's very unlikely that the Vikings reach the Super Bowl with EITHER Spielman as GM OR Zimmer as head coach. The chances of doing so with both of them facing long odds... hey, just about anything is possible, but do fans really want to hang their purple hats on "Hey, it's not IMPOSSIBLE for Spielman and Zimmer to get us to the Super Bowl!"