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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 15:59:33 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jan 15, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Jan 15, 2020 15:50:16 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

I know what you are saying and don’t disagree with most. But just saying you have to be aware of danger before you can act Do you want a QB to just run after 2 seconds or some set period of time no matter what and not keep looking down field. Dan Marino is a great example of being able to feel the pressure and move just enough to still get the pass off. Don’t have to be a “running “ QB but have to be aware of pressure first. Awareness is key because it’s first. Then you have a QB with happy feet that never gets set for the proper throwing motion So we actually agree and your statement that it wasn’t awareness as much as ability to escape is wrong. Think about it, you are contradicting yourself. There are many QBs that can escape pressure ( but main job is throwing) but don’t you really want a Dan ( fill in Fouts or Marino ) that stands in there and doesn’t just bail. Sacks are generally due to failure of the line. And yes I know all about holding ball too long blah blah blah.
Otherwise a running QB while exciting doesn’t last long in NFL. Pocket passer or running QB. Hybrids while ideal are like zebras - rarely seen.

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That's the issue with lots of young QBs that get away with it in college 1 read and run. Not many even understand how to read a defence yet can run more in 1 game than Brady or Brees have in years. A few are being pumped here already.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -6 Funkytown and beckmt like this

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Jan 15, 2020 15:59:33 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Jan 15, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

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That's the issue with lots of young QBs that get away with it in college 1 read and run. Not many even understand how to read a defence yet can run more in 1 game than Brady or Brees have in years. A few are being pumped here already.

Yep and it’s almost impossible to predict how a college QB is going to be able to process that much complicated information an NFL defense will present to him, so picking them is a crap shoot. Better to go with the smartest one first cause all other skills useless without a brain.

hokievike88 Bench Warmer Posts: 310 Likes: 220	With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 16:19:59 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by hokievike88 on Jan 15, 2020 16:19:59 GMT -6 I should probably say football IQ instead of brain cause there are the Terry Bradshaws out there.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 19:17:43 GMT -6

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Jan 15, 2020 16:39:12 GMT -6 toledoviking said:

Another Offensive line man once that can block running plays and passing plays

Probably the only blocking we will be likely to see from a first rounder is on an interception return because knowing Zimmer he will have Rick pick a CB.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 19:26:25 GMT -6

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Jan 15, 2020 5:16:53 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Jan 14, 2020 22:00:35 GMT -6 Longship said:

The Seahawks didn't draft either Matt Flynn or Charlie Whitehurst.

So there's that.

no but they spent picks and $ for Whitehurst and big $ for flynn. You kinda missed the point

No, really, you're just 180 degrees off with this one. You're talking about Spielman drafting a QB, and citing Seattle as an example of failing and then getting it right.

Spielman failed at drafting QBs. Seattle failed at acquiring veteran QBs

Spielman later succeeded (relative to his draft QBs) by signing Cousins. Seattle succeeded by drafting Wilson. That's the only significant similarity. They both stopped doing what they sucked at and tried the other way.

Somehow your conclusion from your own example of finally getting it right by avoiding what you suck at... was for Spielman to go back to what he sucks at.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 22:07:36 GMT -6

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Jan 15, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Jan 15, 2020 15:59:33 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

That's the issue with lots of young QBs that get away with it in college 1 read and run. Not many even understand how to read a defence yet can run more in 1 game than Brady or Brees have in years. A few are being pumped here already.

Yep and it’s almost impossible to predict how a college QB is going to be able to process that much complicated information an NFL defense will present to him, so picking them is a crap shoot. Better to go with the smartest one first cause all other skills useless without a brain.

Sorta. I think you would've had a lot of people calling Ponder the smartest/best IQ in his draft. Didn't help him at all.

The processing is important, but it's critical that your QB remains calm in a hurricane of chaos. That's what makes guys like Wilson and Rodgers and even Brady so dangerous.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 22:56:14 GMT -6

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Jan 15, 2020 22:07:36 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Jan 15, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Yep and it’s almost impossible to predict how a college QB is going to be able to process that much complicated information an NFL defense will present to him, so picking them is a crap shoot. Better to go with the smartest one first cause all other skills useless without a brain.

Sorta. I think you would've had a lot of people calling Ponder the smartest/best IQ in his draft. Didn't help him at all.

The processing is important, but it's critical that your QB remains calm in a hurricane of chaos. That's what makes guys like Wilson and Rodgers and even Brady so dangerous.

Lesson learned. Ponder was one of those guys considered the most "pro ready" when we picked him. He, and the other two picked before him (Locker and Gabbert), were all absolute busts. Of course, we all think we're smarter now and can improve the QB position by reaching (again) for some lottery ticket rookie.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 23:12:14 GMT -6

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Jan 15, 2020 22:07:36 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Jan 15, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Yep and it’s almost impossible to predict how a college QB is going to be able to process that much complicated information an NFL defense will present to him, so picking them is a crap shoot. Better to go with the smartest one first cause all other skills useless without a brain.

Sorta. I think you would've had a lot of people calling Ponder the smartest/best IQ in his draft. Didn't help him at all.

The processing is important, but it's critical that your QB remains calm in a hurricane of chaos. That's what makes guys like Wilson and Rodgers and even Brady so dangerous.

Thus the reason I called it a crap shoot. I wish intelligence was the only variable, just the most important of many. Ponder was picked way too high, not his fault though.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 23:30:11 GMT -6

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Post by PurpleKoolaid on Jan 15, 2020 23:30:11 GMT -6

Hopefully someone on the Oline, a guard or tackle. Its our biggest need because Ricky boy never addressed the need. And Bradbury doesnt look like a good one, any more than Elf does. But then hes only a rookie.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 15, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -6 via mobile

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A few mocks I've seen have us taking Diggs brother guess that would be cool but i think LT Mekhi Becton out of Louisville could be a sneaky good pick, but at like 6'7 370 pounds he might be too big but kind like the idea of a big giant protecting our QBs blindside.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 16, 2020 11:44:50 GMT -6 NoresemanSam, hokievike88, and 1 more like this

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Post by vikingpwr on Jan 16, 2020 11:44:50 GMT -6

I'd start by signing a FA and or drafting a DT, LT and G. I would not deviate from that plan. Both of the lines need a few better,younger players. IMO that would improve this team more than adding a CB, WR etc....because it's obvious we're not as strong in the trenches as of late. We signed Linval Joseph 6 years ago when he was 25.

Reiff, Joseph and Griffen are over 30 and this is a young mans game. Time to cut bait and get other players in here for 2020.

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 16, 2020 15:35:05 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jan 15, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -6 ozzvic said:

A few mocks I've seen have us taking Diggs brother guess that would be cool but i think LT Mekhi Becton out of Louisville could be a sneaky good pick, but at like 6'7 370 pounds he might be too big but kind like the idea of a big giant protecting our QBs blindside.

I’m a fan of Becton too... I wrote in the Draft Talk section of this site 6’7 360 with a little wiggle in those hips? Sign.Me.Up.

Hopefully it doesn’t require taking him at 25 and he slides to day 2. If it needs to happen at 25 I’m cool with it. Dude is so strong he was throwing D1 players out of camera view!

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With The 22nd AND 25th Picks, The Vikings Select... Jan 16, 2020 16:17:14 GMT -6 vikingpwr likes this

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Jan 16, 2020 15:35:05 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Jan 15, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -6 ozzvic said:

A few mocks I've seen have us taking Diggs brother guess that would be cool but i think LT Mekhi Becton out of Louisville could be a sneaky good pick, but at like 6'7 370 pounds he might be too big but kind like the idea of a big giant protecting our QBs blindside.

I’m a fan of Becton too... I wrote in the Draft Talk section of this site 6’7 360 with a little wiggle in those hips? Sign.Me.Up.

Hopefully it doesn’t require taking him at 25 and he slides to day 2. If it needs to happen at 25 I’m cool with it. Dude is so strong he was throwing D1 players out of camera view!

Imagine the Vikings having a left tackle who might be able to make those toss sweeps something other than three yard losses...of course, with Stefanski gone, maybe those will be a thing of the past.
Reiff has definitely gotten to the point where his cap number versus dead money all but necessitates his release. I personally think he's been the Vikings second best lineman all year, but he just costs too much to maintain when you can replace him in the draft, or move O'Neill to the left side, or re-sign Hill, or see if Udoh is ready. Basically, too many options and too much cap relief there to keep him around.

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