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Jan 13, 2020 23:12:30 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Jan 13, 2020 22:35:12 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

You would be a terrible NFL GM then. I don't think you understand what pocket awarrness even is. Brady has great pocket awareness and couldn't beat a turtle in a foot race. I hate to break it to you but Eastons strength is his intermediate throw accuracy. I doubt you have even watched his game. You keep pointing out issues that are false. If you took time to watch his clips I gave you you can see he has very good pocket movement and awareness.

Um...I pointed out an issue that a link you endorsed also pointed out. Utah and Colorado pressured him and his play looked panicked. That is the worst red flag of all for QBs IMO.

I said nothing about being fast or elusive. I want pocket awareness and calm. Those are both Easton weaknesses. Your link said it too.

It also said what you are looking for but you gloss over that part. There isn't a QB alive that has perfect film or games. I guess Brees sucks if you get pressure on him who would have thunk that. You don't just flush the good and focus on the bad or you will never find a QB. You look for things that can be fixed and every report says they can be. The biggest stat to look at is accuracy because it's been proven bad in college bad in the NFL. His is pretty damn good.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:52:39 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Jan 13, 2020 10:35:09 GMT -6 heman said:

If people can keep those rumors going about Tua, then maybe he'll be available for us and we grab him. Otherwise an OT or CB is all i want for Christmas with that 1st round pick.

My exact thoughts. I’m running to the podium if Tua is available at 25. If not, OT or CB. Hopefully DT can be addressed in free agency.

seems like every year, very strong DTs like Maurice Hurst, Davon Godchaux, Jaleel Johnson seem to fall into the mid-rounds, so either through free agency or draft we can take care of that. Late 1st round pick for other positions.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:01:17 GMT -6 flaviking said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:52:39 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

My exact thoughts. I’m running to the podium if Tua is available at 25. If not, OT or CB. Hopefully DT can be addressed in free agency.

Just a question for those wanting Tua....

Who was the last Alabama QB that worked out in the NFL?

I don't think his college is relevant in the case of Tua. Tua has a scary freaky arm talent. He's as close to Mahomes as I've seen and its just coincidence they're a few years apart, but its a true God given talent, like a superpower. However I don't think Tua is as well rounded as Mahomes who checks every box for a QB and could end up the best ever before its all said and done. but because Tua has such an unlimited ceiling because of his freakish throwing ability, it is worth the risk of him not mentally being up to snuff, or his hip being a permanent hindrance, just for the chance that he works out. because if he works out, its a guy like Mahomes who can whip out 4 TDs in a quarter or 40 in a season routinely. And the idea of him throwing to Thielen and Diggs? forget about it... that's why it's worth the risk that he completely crashes. But the very same reasons I'm describing is why I don't see him getting past the Top 10, hip or no hip. He's worth the risk.

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Jan 13, 2020 15:27:48 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Jan 13, 2020 13:46:37 GMT -6 flaviking said:

Maybe.. but I would never take a QB from USC, or Florida for that matter either... Something about those programs have great College QB, but they always suck in the NFL.

Plus Tua's injury is pretty significant. He may not be the same QB when he comes back.

Wisconsin doesn't have great QBs either, worse then Alabama's, yet Wilson is a bona fide stud.

That's hip recovery is a concern sure, but it's also the ONLY reason he isn't going nunber one overall.

Wilson is a great example. he's a special talent that just happens to be a UW quarterback, not the "typical UW quarterback" or "product of UW". that's how i see Tua with Alabama.

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Jan 14, 2020 5:59:17 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Jan 13, 2020 23:12:30 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Um...I pointed out an issue that a link you endorsed also pointed out. Utah and Colorado pressured him and his play looked panicked. That is the worst red flag of all for QBs IMO.

I said nothing about being fast or elusive. I want pocket awareness and calm. Those are both Easton weaknesses. Your link said it too.

It also said what you are looking for but you gloss over that part. There isn't a QB alive that has perfect film or games. I guess Brees sucks if you get pressure on him who would have thunk that. You don't just flush the good and focus on the bad or you will never find a QB. You look for things that can be fixed and every report says they can be. The biggest stat to look at is accuracy because it's been proven bad in college bad in the NFL. His is pretty damn good.

I didn't gloss over it, I acknowledged his strengths earlier. I have had to post evidence because you call my criticism "false" and implied it was made up. Of course, then you posted a link you thought was great which said THE SAME THING.

You're entitled to like him, you may be right. I don't like him at all.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:26:53 GMT -6 heman said:

Jan 13, 2020 15:27:48 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Wisconsin doesn't have great QBs either, worse then Alabama's, yet Wilson is a bona fide stud.

That's hip recovery is a concern sure, but it's also the ONLY reason he isn't going nunber one overall.

Wilson is a great example. he's a special talent that just happens to be a UW quarterback, not the "typical UW quarterback" or "product of UW". that's how i see Tua with Alabama.

Wilson also went to NC State, where he played for Tom O'Brien, the same guy who coached Matt Ryan at Boston College through his junior year. Funny how people, including Russell Wilson, seem to forget that. What did NC State do to make him so dismissive?

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The more I think about this I want two safeties who have played corner, have the ability to play coverage. I dont want a box necessarily even though I can see why that would be good idea as well. I do not want sendajo’s of the world on this team ever again. Yuck. If they cannot run and cover, no thank you and play deep halves, quarter, free, 3, no thanks.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:01:17 GMT -6 flaviking said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:52:39 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

My exact thoughts. I’m running to the podium if Tua is available at 25. If not, OT or CB. Hopefully DT can be addressed in free agency.

Just a question for those wanting Tua....

Who was the last Alabama QB that worked out in the NFL?

Bart Starr. The answer is Bart Starr. Well Joe Namath was too, but he sucked as a QB.

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Jan 14, 2020 12:59:20 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Jan 14, 2020 5:59:17 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

It also said what you are looking for but you gloss over that part. There isn't a QB alive that has perfect film or games. I guess Brees sucks if you get pressure on him who would have thunk that. You don't just flush the good and focus on the bad or you will never find a QB. You look for things that can be fixed and every report says they can be. The biggest stat to look at is accuracy because it's been proven bad in college bad in the NFL. His is pretty damn good.

I didn't gloss over it, I acknowledged his strengths earlier. I have had to post evidence because you call my criticism "false" and implied it was made up. Of course, then you posted a link you thought was great which said THE SAME THING.

You're entitled to like him, you may be right. I don't like him at all.

Yet you gloss over what counters what you say in that very article. I have already stated no NFL QB is perfect and you ignore many points I'm trying to make so you understand that. You know little to nothing about him or you wouldn't have slammed him for actual strengths you want. I can show people that slam Brady Brees Rodgers Wilson. There is no perfect QB and I can guarantee no QB can handle pressure all the time. Every elite QB has bad games.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:38:41 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:01:17 GMT -6 flaviking said:

Just a question for those wanting Tua....

Who was the last Alabama QB that worked out in the NFL?

Bart Starr. The answer is Bart Starr. Well Joe Namath was too, but he sucked as a QB.

Kenny ”the Snake” Stabler was a damn good QB.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:42:21 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Jan 14, 2020 12:59:20 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

I didn't gloss over it, I acknowledged his strengths earlier. I have had to post evidence because you call my criticism "false" and implied it was made up. Of course, then you posted a link you thought was great which said THE SAME THING.

You're entitled to like him, you may be right. I don't like him at all.

Yet you gloss over what counters what you say in that very article. I have already stated no NFL QB is perfect and you ignore many points I'm trying to make so you understand that. You know little to nothing about him or you wouldn't have slammed him for actual strengths you want. I can show people that slam Brady Brees Rodgers Wilson. There is no perfect QB and I can guarantee no QB can handle pressure all the time. Every elite QB has bad games.

There is no counter to "he doesn't handle pressure well" and every scouting report I've read on him lists it as a negative. He has positives, they just don't override that particular negative for me. If getting in your face leads to frequent problems - terrible completion percentage, horrible decisions that lead to picks, and bad footwork....no thanks. The NFL puts way more pressure on QBs than college so if a few ramped up games cause him to implode....I don't see that getting fixed. Nevermind that he never seems to do any progressions and is a one read QB most of the time (a problem many QBs share, including the guy I'm leaning to in Hurd), it's just too many key negatives to override his size and arm strength. Having a strong arm doesn't help if you panic at pressure.

Yes, there's no perfect QB, but my criticisms of him are legitimate and shared by many professional scouts. Including the one you cited. You can disagree without calling my criticism false or implying I made it up. That's a dick move and totally unnecessary.

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Jan 14, 2020 19:32:48 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

Jan 14, 2020 17:42:21 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Yet you gloss over what counters what you say in that very article. I have already stated no NFL QB is perfect and you ignore many points I'm trying to make so you understand that. You know little to nothing about him or you wouldn't have slammed him for actual strengths you want. I can show people that slam Brady Brees Rodgers Wilson. There is no perfect QB and I can guarantee no QB can handle pressure all the time. Every elite QB has bad games.

There is no counter to "he doesn't handle pressure well" and every scouting report I've read on him lists it as a negative. He has positives, they just don't override that particular negative for me. If getting in your face leads to frequent problems - terrible completion percentage, horrible decisions that lead to picks, and bad footwork....no thanks. The NFL puts way more pressure on QBs than college so if a few ramped up games cause him to implode....I don't see that getting fixed. Nevermind that he never seems to do any progressions and is a one read QB most of the time (a problem many QBs share, including the guy I'm leaning to in Hurd), it's just too many key negatives to override his size and arm strength. Having a strong arm doesn't help if you panic at pressure.

Yes, there's no perfect QB, but my criticisms of him are legitimate and shared by many professional scouts. Including the one you cited. You can disagree without calling my criticism false or implying I made it up. That's a dick move and totally unnecessary.

The dick move is ignoring the same scout said it's not worth passing him because it's something that can be fixed. He also said his arm talent may be the beat in the draft. Not arm strength arm talent. It was also noted his OL nor his WR helped him in both those games. When you look at individuals to seadt that is exactly what you do. You look at the individual.

I have yet seen who you would pick at QB.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:25:24 GMT -6 heman said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:01:17 GMT -6 flaviking said:

Just a question for those wanting Tua....

Who was the last Alabama QB that worked out in the NFL?

I don't think his college is relevant in the case of Tua. Tua has a scary freaky arm talent. He's as close to Mahomes as I've seen and its just coincidence they're a few years apart, but its a true God given talent, like a superpower. However I don't think Tua is as well rounded as Mahomes who checks every box for a QB and could end up the best ever before its all said and done. but because Tua has such an unlimited ceiling because of his freakish throwing ability, it is worth the risk of him not mentally being up to snuff, or his hip being a permanent hindrance, just for the chance that he works out. because if he works out, its a guy like Mahomes who can whip out 4 TDs in a quarter or 40 in a season routinely. And the idea of him throwing to Thielen and Diggs? forget about it... that's why it's worth the risk that he completely crashes. But the very same reasons I'm describing is why I don't see him getting past the Top 10, hip or no hip. He's worth the risk.

His hip injury is a major concern. Read the article I provided above and it is sad but I doubt he has much time left because of the injury.

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Jan 14, 2020 21:03:27 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Jan 14, 2020 19:32:48 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:

There is no counter to "he doesn't handle pressure well" and every scouting report I've read on him lists it as a negative. He has positives, they just don't override that particular negative for me. If getting in your face leads to frequent problems - terrible completion percentage, horrible decisions that lead to picks, and bad footwork....no thanks. The NFL puts way more pressure on QBs than college so if a few ramped up games cause him to implode....I don't see that getting fixed. Nevermind that he never seems to do any progressions and is a one read QB most of the time (a problem many QBs share, including the guy I'm leaning to in Hurd), it's just too many key negatives to override his size and arm strength. Having a strong arm doesn't help if you panic at pressure.

Yes, there's no perfect QB, but my criticisms of him are legitimate and shared by many professional scouts. Including the one you cited. You can disagree without calling my criticism false or implying I made it up. That's a dick move and totally unnecessary.

The dick move is ignoring the same scout said it's not worth passing him because it's something that can be fixed. He also said his arm talent may be the beat in the draft. Not arm strength arm talent. It was also noted his OL nor his WR helped him in both those games. When you look at individuals to seadt that is exactly what you do. You look at the individual.

I have yet seen who you would pick at QB.

I posted earlier that I prefer Jalen Hurts. I acknowledge his imperfections.

Eason has excellent arm strength for sure, however, I don't believe pocket awareness or reaction to pressure is coachable. I think that's a "have it, or you don't" skill. I write off QBs that look skittish or make frequent bonehead plays under the kind of pressure that is relatively normal in the NFL. That's just my stance on how to scout QBs.