Post by Purple Pain on Mar 31, 2019 20:19:57 GMT -6
Some more pieces about the OL and drafting:
Interior Lineman: Does Perception Match Reality? by Lengby Vike
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More at link:
www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/5/18170342/interior-lineman-does-perception-match-reality
Interior Lineman: Does Perception Match Reality? by Lengby Vike
I was full of questions. I started thinking why is the value of interior offensive line so low, or is it really just our perceived value that is low? I also wanted to know what would it take to build an average offensive line and where do these lineman come from?
I was working on an assumption that I have subscribed to, and I was guessing that most others do as well, and that assumption is that tackles eat up the vast majority of your offensive line budget.
I asked my buddy a question. How much would it cost to build an average offensive line?
He responded saying 15-18 million for tackles and 9 million for the rest of the interior, or, in other words, he said your tackles will cost double of the interior.
Here is how I broke it down. I am not going to pretend that this method is without flaw, and in no way am I trying to quantify quality of play - only money. Using Spotrac, I took the salary in the case of tackles and center as the 16th highest contract. Guards are a little trickier; obviously you play 2, so I took the 16th and 48th highest contract, assuming the team will have one above and one below average lineman in order to achieve my "Average Line." Also, so you know, the number I used for salaries is the average over the life of the contract - not the salary for this season. I felt this was best to accommodate recently inked extensions as well as contracts that will soon expire, and it was applied consistently over all groups.
Here are the results for each position group:
Left Tackle: 16th contract 9.25 million 14 tackles make over 10 million per year. As we expected, tackles get paid.
Guards: 16th contract 8 million, 9 guards average 10 million and 12 total more than 9
million 48th guard contract 1.8 million. These are guys playing on rookie deals
for the most part. Sidenote, the 32 guard contract is 4.25 million.
Center: 16th 5.85 million 10 centers make over 8 million.
Right Tackle: 16th contract 6 million, only 4 right tackles make over 8 million.
Bet most of you did not see that coming. My buddy sure didn’t, but your "average" offensive line costs 15.25 million for tackles and 15.05 for interior. It also makes me laugh because I have often heard the phrase "they are paying him tackle money." Well, guard and center are getting closer to tackle money, but just for a frame of reference, I heard this comment regarding Mike Remmers. However, for 2018 Mike Remmers would be the 8th highest paid right tackle and the 16th highest paid guard. (Let’s not argue whether he is worth it.)
I was working on an assumption that I have subscribed to, and I was guessing that most others do as well, and that assumption is that tackles eat up the vast majority of your offensive line budget.
I asked my buddy a question. How much would it cost to build an average offensive line?
He responded saying 15-18 million for tackles and 9 million for the rest of the interior, or, in other words, he said your tackles will cost double of the interior.
Here is how I broke it down. I am not going to pretend that this method is without flaw, and in no way am I trying to quantify quality of play - only money. Using Spotrac, I took the salary in the case of tackles and center as the 16th highest contract. Guards are a little trickier; obviously you play 2, so I took the 16th and 48th highest contract, assuming the team will have one above and one below average lineman in order to achieve my "Average Line." Also, so you know, the number I used for salaries is the average over the life of the contract - not the salary for this season. I felt this was best to accommodate recently inked extensions as well as contracts that will soon expire, and it was applied consistently over all groups.
Here are the results for each position group:
Left Tackle: 16th contract 9.25 million 14 tackles make over 10 million per year. As we expected, tackles get paid.
Guards: 16th contract 8 million, 9 guards average 10 million and 12 total more than 9
million 48th guard contract 1.8 million. These are guys playing on rookie deals
for the most part. Sidenote, the 32 guard contract is 4.25 million.
Center: 16th 5.85 million 10 centers make over 8 million.
Right Tackle: 16th contract 6 million, only 4 right tackles make over 8 million.
Bet most of you did not see that coming. My buddy sure didn’t, but your "average" offensive line costs 15.25 million for tackles and 15.05 for interior. It also makes me laugh because I have often heard the phrase "they are paying him tackle money." Well, guard and center are getting closer to tackle money, but just for a frame of reference, I heard this comment regarding Mike Remmers. However, for 2018 Mike Remmers would be the 8th highest paid right tackle and the 16th highest paid guard. (Let’s not argue whether he is worth it.)
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Percent of starters that come from rounds 1-3:
Tackles 64 percent An amazing 25 starters were selected in the first round.
Guards 52 percent 14 starters are UDFA’s.
Center 53 percent 8 came from the second round.
Here is a positional breakdown of rounds 1-3: (I think the data may be a little skewed by the fact that there are a fair amount of guys these days that are listed as tackles but are actually drafted as guards.)
2013: 8T, 7G, 1C
2014: 11T, 8G, 3C
2015: 9T, 8G, 2C
2016: 9T, 8G, 5C
2017: 6T, 2G, 2C
2018: 12T, 5G, 2C
Now this data may look like it counters my point about the worthiness of selecting interior lineman early in the draft, especially the fact that 14 starting guards are UDFA’s; however, I would counter with the fact that there are roughly 100 picks in the first three rounds when you include compensatory picks, and another 150 in round 4-7 if you factor in the other 10 or so UDFA’s that are signed by each team, and the actual number is higher. You end up with about 450 more players outside of the top 100. So in reality if 14 starters are UDFA, your hit rate on getting a starting guard from rounds 4-7 is only slightly better than a UDFA. Combining all rounds 4-7 and UDFA’s, your chances of getting a starting guard are slightly better than playing a game of Russian Roulette, compared to the 52 percent hit rate in rounds 1-3.
The second argument could be the limited volume of picks spent on guards and centers in the first 3 rounds, but I would argue if you divide position groups evenly, you would expect there to be about 9 guards taken every year and about 4-5 centers. The actual numbers are lower than what would be expected; however, it would suggest that the actual success rate on guard and center picks is actually a fair amount higher than the 52 and 53 percent of the starters that come from those rounds.
Tackles 64 percent An amazing 25 starters were selected in the first round.
Guards 52 percent 14 starters are UDFA’s.
Center 53 percent 8 came from the second round.
Here is a positional breakdown of rounds 1-3: (I think the data may be a little skewed by the fact that there are a fair amount of guys these days that are listed as tackles but are actually drafted as guards.)
2013: 8T, 7G, 1C
2014: 11T, 8G, 3C
2015: 9T, 8G, 2C
2016: 9T, 8G, 5C
2017: 6T, 2G, 2C
2018: 12T, 5G, 2C
Now this data may look like it counters my point about the worthiness of selecting interior lineman early in the draft, especially the fact that 14 starting guards are UDFA’s; however, I would counter with the fact that there are roughly 100 picks in the first three rounds when you include compensatory picks, and another 150 in round 4-7 if you factor in the other 10 or so UDFA’s that are signed by each team, and the actual number is higher. You end up with about 450 more players outside of the top 100. So in reality if 14 starters are UDFA, your hit rate on getting a starting guard from rounds 4-7 is only slightly better than a UDFA. Combining all rounds 4-7 and UDFA’s, your chances of getting a starting guard are slightly better than playing a game of Russian Roulette, compared to the 52 percent hit rate in rounds 1-3.
The second argument could be the limited volume of picks spent on guards and centers in the first 3 rounds, but I would argue if you divide position groups evenly, you would expect there to be about 9 guards taken every year and about 4-5 centers. The actual numbers are lower than what would be expected; however, it would suggest that the actual success rate on guard and center picks is actually a fair amount higher than the 52 and 53 percent of the starters that come from those rounds.
More at link:
www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/5/18170342/interior-lineman-does-perception-match-reality