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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime?

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 19, 2018 12:43:23 GMT -6

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime?

Absolutely:

Will big prime-time schedule bring big problems for Vikings? (article dated April 18, 2018)

Highlights:

"Over the last three years, there has been a direct relation to the NFL not promoting the Vikings as a faceplate franchise in prime time/stand-alone games and Zimmer’s Vikings enjoying a lot of success."

"(in 2015) Twelve of their 16 games were scheduled for noon Central starts and the only late Sunday afternoon games were at Denver and Oakland. . .The Vikings went 11-5 and won the NFC North."

"With the success they enjoyed in 2015, combined with moving into a football palace, the NFL took notice in 2016. The Vikings were scheduled for five stand-alone games – a Sunday night game against Green Bay, Monday night games at Chicago and vs. the New York Giants, a Thursday night game against Dallas and a Thanksgiving Day game at Detroit. . . They finished 8-8."

"Once again, the Vikings were coming off a down year, losing eight of their last 11 games, and the NFL schedule makers weren’t anxious to showcase the purple and gold. Minnesota was assigned just three prime-time games. . .Once again, the Vikings found success with a schedule that didn’t require the hot lighting of night games – going on to finish 13-3, winning the NFC North title and advancing to the NFC Championship Game."

"given the success the Vikings had in 2017, it won’t be surprising to see Minnesota in four or even five prime-time or stand-alone games this season. The roller coaster is taking another turn." (emphasis mine)

Vikings are 3-18 at night since 2009, giving Zimmer another motivational ploy

article dated December 15, 2015

"From 2009 to the present day, the Vikings have been all over the map when it comes to performance and record. . .Through it all, though, there has been a troubling constant: the Vikings have been awful in the past seven seasons in primetime games.

How bad has it been? Shockingly bad, as I found out when I went back through the history. From 2009 until now, the Vikings are 3-18 in night games, including the playoffs"

Last Edit: Nov 19, 2018 12:44:19 GMT -6 by EricTheViking

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 19, 2018 13:00:40 GMT -6 Funkytown, Oracle Bone Diviner, and 1 more like this

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It gets even better. Kirk Cousins is now 4-12 in his Primetime appearances. Ha! So a team with a Primetime curse joins with a player with a Primetime curse. I guess they didn't consider that when they drew up his offer!

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 19, 2018 20:33:47 GMT -6

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Nov 19, 2018 13:00:40 GMT -6 EricTheViking said:

It gets even better. Kirk Cousins is now 4-12 in his Primetime appearances. Ha! So a team with a Primetime curse joins with a player with a Primetime curse. I guess they didn't consider that when they drew up his offer!

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 20, 2018 21:15:58 GMT -6 Funkytown, EricTheViking, and 2 more like this

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Post by Reignman on Nov 20, 2018 21:15:58 GMT -6

That article was written just before week 15 of 2015, and oddly enough we played a prime time game week 16 (NYG) and 17 (at GRB) and won them both lol. After the article we won 7 of our next 9 prime time games, but we've lost 3 straight since, LAR, NOS, CHI. Haven't won since beating Green Bay 16-0 Saturday night last year.

But lets break it down by coach. Prime time night games only. Not including the playoffs, which would only make it worse.

                           ROAD
          OVERALL  HOME  OUTDOORS DIVISION
Green      20-11   13-6     6-5    12-8
Tice        3-7     1-1     1-5     2-2
Childress   5-10    3-2     1-6     3-4
Frazier     1-7     1-4     1-3     0-4
Zimmer      8-7     4-2     3-5     4-3
TOTAL      37-42   22-15   12-18   21-21

So there's the problem. The league just needs to stop making us play outdoors on the road. But it should be noted, you rarely get to play a bad team in prime time, so I guess we should expect it to be challenging, and we know how Vikings handle a challenge xD. And over half the games were against division rivals, which are already challenging even if the opponent is bad.

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Nov 20, 2018 21:15:58 GMT -6 Reignman said:

That article was written just before week 15 of 2015, and oddly enough we played a prime time game week 16 (NYG) and 17 (at GRB) and won them both lol. After the article we won 7 of our next 9 prime time games, but we've lost 3 straight since, LAR, NOS, CHI. Haven't won since beating Green Bay 16-0 Saturday night last year.

But lets break it down by coach. Prime time night games only. Not including the playoffs, which would only make it worse.

                           ROAD
          OVERALL  HOME  OUTDOORS DIVISION
Green      20-11   13-6     6-5    12-8
Tice        3-7     1-1     1-5     2-2
Childress   5-10    3-2     1-6     3-4
Frazier     1-7     1-4     1-3     0-4
Zimmer      8-7     4-2     3-5     4-3
TOTAL      37-42   22-15   12-18   21-21

So there's the problem. The league just needs to stop making us play outdoors on the road. But it should be noted, you rarely get to play a bad team in prime time, so I guess we should expect it to be challenging, and we know how Vikings handle a challenge xD. And over half the games were against division rivals, which are already challenging even if the opponent is bad.

What did you expect from Frazier? He was still watching the tape from last week and forgot to draw up a game plan against his current opponent!

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And all the teams ranked based on their prime time record since 2002, not including playoff games. Vikings have been pretty bad.

          OVERALL           ROAD
RK        W- L-T   PCT      W- L-T   PCT  RK
 1. SEA  32-11-1  .739     11- 5-1  .676   1
 2. NEP  50-21-0  .704     23-13-0  .639   2
 3. PIT  47-25-0  .653     22-17-0  .564   6
 4. NOS  31-20-0  .608     10-11-0  .476   9
 5. IND  38-26-0  .594     25-15-0  .625   3
 6. BAL  30-23-0  .566     13-18-0  .419  15
 7. PHI  42-33-0  .560     24-16-0  .600   5
 8. DAL  44-35-0  .557     25-16-0  .610   4
 9. KAN  25-20-0  .556     13-16-0  .448  12
10. GRB  39-32-0  .549     14-21-0  .400  17
11. ATL  23-19-0  .548      5-10-0  .333  21
12. DEN  37-31-0  .544     14-16-0  .467  10
13. LAC  25-21-0  .543      9-11-0  .450  11
14. LAR  16-14-0  .533      5- 8-0  .385  18
15. CHI  31-31-0  .500     16-20-0  .444  13
    TEN  13-13-0  .500      6- 6-0  .500   7
17. SAF  24-26-0  .480     10-13-0  .435  14
18. ARZ  14-16-1  .468      5- 5-0  .500   7
19. NYG  32-42-0  .432     17-28-0  .378  19
20. NYJ  19-26-0  .422     10-14-0  .417  16
21. JAX   8-12-0  .400      0- 4-0  .000  32
22. OAK  16-26-0  .381      6-13-0  .316  22
23. CAR  12-20-0  .375      3-11-0  .214  29
24. MIN  18-31-0  .367      8-22-0  .267  26  <---
25. HOU  12-22-0  .353      5-12-0  .294  25
26. MIA  14-26-0  .350      5-15-0  .250  27
27. TAM   9-17-0  .346      4- 9-0  .308  23
28. WAS  17-34-0  .333      7-12-0  .368  20
29. CLE   7-15-0  .318      3- 9-0  .250  27
30. DET   6-14-0  .300      3- 7-0  .300  24
31. CIN  10-25-0  .286      1-18-0  .053  31
32. BUF   3-17-0  .150      1-10-0  .091  30

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 20, 2018 22:03:09 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this

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Sticking with the prime time theme. If it seemed like you've been seeing a lot of NFC East teams in prime time games, well it hasn't just been your confirmation bias talking, they're definitely favored by the league. Almost more prime time appearances than both the South division combined. To be fair, the division has one of the better overall records since 2002, which surprised me because it seems like nobody from that division has been good for awhile. Southern teams are definitely getting slighted however. The NFC North is probably getting more love than it should. Bad overall record and even worse in prime time.

Since 2002:

                 PRIME TIME            OVERALL
DIVISION    G     W- L -T   PCT        W- L -T   PCT
NFC-East   279  135-144-0  .484      544-518-2  .512
NFC-North  202   94-108-0  .465      521-539-4  .492
AFC-West   201  103- 98-0  .512      532-533-0  .500
AFC-North  182   94- 88-0  .516      533-525-6  .504
AFC-East   176   86- 90-0  .489      559-505-0  .525
NFC-West   155   86- 67-2  .561      495-566-4  .467
NFC-South  151   75- 76-0  .497      545-517-2  .513
AFC-South  144   71- 73-0  .493      519-545-0  .488

Top 3 prime time appearances: All NFC East teams. Redskins come in at 12th.

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75 Giants
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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 20, 2018 22:14:31 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this

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Nov 20, 2018 21:21:56 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

What did you expect from Frazier? He was still watching the tape from last week and forgot to draw up a game plan against his current opponent!

Ha! I got exactly what I expected from Frazier, which was nothing but frustration xD. I was against his promotion from day 1. He wasn't even a good defensive coordinator. He should have been fired after 3-13. He got the rookie QB excuse, but his defense was dreadful and that's what he's supposed to be good at. First 2 home games of the year, led the Bucs 17-0 at half but lost 24-20. Led the Lions 20-0 at half but lost 26-23 ot. I was comparing him to Les Steckel all year. Those 2 years were eerily similar, 1984 and 2011. At least the 1984 Vikings were smart enough to cut their losses. Peterson bought him another year in 2012 so in 2013 we nearly got a repeat of 2011.

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Kirk Cousins is 4-12 in prime-time games over his career. Asked whether he could put his finger on why that is, the Vikings QB said he doesn't treat those games any differently: "I think the prime-time game before the Bears, the Saints game, that was one of my better games all year. I felt really good sitting around all day. Again, I think the untrained eye is going to look at the final score, is going to look at a play or two and say ‘well, that was not a good performance.’ A trained eye is going to look a little deeper and say ‘well, let’s go play by play and see how we did.’ It’s week to week, as every game is regardless of when you play. I feel like on Saturday, if we’re playing at noon (on Sunday), I feel like I’m sitting around all day Saturday waiting for the game. It goes both ways."

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 22, 2018 9:16:39 GMT -6

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Taking a Closer Look at Kirk Cousins in Primetime by Sam Ekstrom

Cousins is 0-3 thus far at night against the Vikings’ three toughest opponents. Minnesota lost a shootout 38-31 to the Los Angeles Rams on the road, fell 30-20 at home against the New Orleans Saints and were defeated 25-20 last Sunday in Chicago. The combined record of those opponents: 26-5.

“I think if there’s a difference [between primetime and daytime], it’s gonna be that you’re gonna be playing good football teams,” said Cousins. “We got flexed to that primetime last week because we were playing a really good football team, and if either of us weren’t good, I don’t think we’d get flexed.”

Head coach Mike Zimmer is 7-8 coaching in regular season night games for the Vikings. After starting his tenure 0-3 in primetime games, he had won seven of nine before a three-game losing streak this season put him below .500.

“I talked to the coaches about it the other day, and Terence [Newman] was in the room. I asked him, ‘Do guys really approach these games differently?'” Zimmer said. “Really, not so much. I don’t think maybe the players do as much as everybody else.”

Zimmer also mentioned the fact that primetime games often lead to matchups with the league’s top teams, as last week’s flex to Sunday Night Football indicated, which could be a reason for Cousins’ poor record.

To get a better idea, let’s look at Cousins’ 16 primetime performances more closely to see whether the 4-12 mark is indicative of his play or residual factors. Plus, we’ll see how good those primetime opponents were (their final season record is indicated in parentheses).

...

At the end of the equation, Cousins is 3-4 against teams with eventual losing records and 1-8 against teams with winning records — the lone win coming against a then 4-6 Packers team. He is 3-5 at home in primetime and 1-7 on the road.

He is not without some high-level play, though. In a quarter of the games Cousins had one of his best performances of that season to help his team win — or in the case of the Rams game, just stay in it. But very few of the losses have even been competitive late, with the exception of the Chiefs game last year and Cowboys game in 2016.

This would seem to be emblematic of Cousins’ season in Minnesota: high highs and low lows.

The quarterback doesn’t believe there is a meaningful trend with his subpar primetime record, saying that each game should be treated independently.

Link: zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/taking-a-closer-look-at-kirk-cousins-in-primetime/

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Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 22, 2018 22:11:10 GMT -6

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Thankfully we won't have to beat 3 or 4 good teams in the playoffs, in primetime, to win a Super Bowl ... oh wait. *skeptic*

*skeptic*

I mean isn't this why we're paying Cousins the big money? To beat the teams we couldn't before going after him? If we're going to keep losing to good times in primetime anyway, then what's the point? The good teams we play have to play a good team too, us, but somehow they're the ones who always win. Why can't our opponents lose these games more often and get stuck with the moral victory excuses? We lost to those Vikings, but hey they're a good football team. That'd be nice for once.

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Purple Pain Hall of Fame Nominee Posts: 8,733 Likes: 2,877	Are the Vikings really that bad in Primetime? Nov 23, 2018 12:09:49 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Purple Pain on Nov 23, 2018 12:09:49 GMT -6 Some pieces from r/minnesotavikings: [OC] An Analysis of Kirk Cousins in Primetime - Part 1 (Michigan State) [OC] An Analysis of Kirk Cousins in Primetime - Part 2 (The NFL)

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